【剧透慎入】导演PTA对电影角色和细节的解释

【关于电影主题】原文链接：https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/paul-thomas-anderson-on-phantom-thread-daniel-day-lewiss-retirement-w514196Youvesaidthattheconceptionforthisreallystartedwhenyouweresickonedayinbed–howdidyougofromthattoaromancebetweenafashiondesignerandhismodel?[Laughs]Ithinkthatsalongleapbetweenalotofstones!Walkusthroughthis.Soyes,Iwassickandmywife[actressMayaRudolph]wastakingcareofme.Andmyimaginationjusttookoveratsomepoint,whereIhadthisthought:quot;Oh,sheislookingatmewithsuchcareandtenderness...wouldntitsuithertokeepmesickinthisstate?quot;Idontknowalotaboutthatdisorder,Munchausen[symdrome]byproxy–thatstoohotformetohandle.Butthatmomentwasenoughto...itgavemeanideathatsuchathingcouldbeservedupwithsomesparkofmischievousnessandhumorthatmight,inalargerpicture,lenditselftowhatitmeanstobeinalong-termrelationship,youknow.Andthebalanceofpowerthatcanhappeninthat.Notjustinacreativerelationshipeither–howmenandwomeninteractisntexclusivetoanartistandhismuseorshitlikethat.PTA在采访里谈到想拍这种题材的原因：某天PTA生病了，躺在床上胡思乱想，妻子MayaRudolph（喜剧演员）照顾着他，用很温柔的眼光看着他。看到妻子这样子，PTA心想：在这种情况下，让我不舒服是不是适合她？虽然那时PTA在发高烧，但是这给了他灵感，伴随着一点点的恶作剧和幽默，来适应长期的（婚姻）关系；婚姻中双方相互制衡，这是关于男女双方如何互动而不仅仅是艺术家和他的缪斯这种特殊例子。原文链接：https://www.gq.com/story/the-dark-optimism-of-paul-thomas-andersonAndersonpicturedamanlikethat:complicated,unyielding,fanatical.Whatmighthappenifthatman,whodspenthislifemeetinganddiscardingwomen,metonewhoturnedout,howeverimprobably,tobehismatch?HewasthinkingaboutHitchcocksRebecca,inwhichJoanFontaineentersintoamarriagewithadomineeringman,playedbyLaurenceOlivier,thatisnotwhatitseems.Andersonwondered:quot;WhatifhalfwaythroughRebecca,JoanFontainesaid,Youknow,Ivehadenoughofyourshit?quot;AndersoncastthesteelyBritishactressLesleyManvilleasWoodcockssister,acharacterwhoprovidesanotherechoofRebecca,inwhichtracesofthemanspastlifeandoldloveskeepburstingominouslythrough.Fashion,likeprospectingforoil,wasnotanobvioussubjectforAnderson,whosbeenwearingthesamerumpledwhitedressshirtsincethe90s.But,hesaid,quot;youjustgottastartlisteningtotheairwavesalittlebit.quot;OnatriptoIndia,hesawaphotooftheSpanishdesignerCristóbalBalenciagainanairport.quot;ThatcoincidedwithaconversationIhadhadacoupleweeksbeforeaboutBeauBrummell,quot;the19th-centuryEnglishmanwhoiscreditedwithinventingthemodernmenssuit.quot;AndIhadhadinmypocketastorybetweenamanandawomanwherethedynamicwasaboutpower—thepowershiftbetweenastrong-willedmanandawoman.quot;Day-Lewiswouldplaytheman.VickyKrieps,arelativelyunknownactressfromLuxembourg,wouldplaythewoman,Alma.AndersonbeganreadingmoreaboutBalenciaga,who,hesaid,hadquot;taste,skill,talent.Thefullpackage.Hecouldsewabuttononadress.Hecouldmakethemostcomplicateddress.Hehadthatlevelofskill.quot;MostimportantforthecharacterofWoodcock,Andersonsaid,quot;hewasprotectiveofhiswork.quot;Afterwefirstmet,AndersonandIbeganexchanginge-mails.Inoneback-and-forth,wediscussedhowcertainthingsinhisworkrecur.LikenearlyeveryotherAndersonfilm,PhantomThreadisatheartaboutablendedfamilywhocanbarelystandeachother,butatthesametimeneedoneanother—WoodcockandAlmaareinlove,ortheyhateeachother;Manvillescharacter,Woodcockssister,Cyril,isinsomewaysevenmoreunforgivingthaneither,butshesalsotheonewhoteachesthemhowtosurvive.LikeBoogieNightsDirkDiggler,Woodcockscharacterisshapedbyanowabsentmotherandblessedwithonespecialtalentthatleadshimtowardbothdoomandsalvation;likePunch-DrunkLovesBarryEgan,Woodcockwantstobelovedbuthasnoideahowtoask.Atitscenter,PhantomThreadisaboutawoundedmanwhofindsitnearlyimpossibletobridgethegapbetweenhimselfandeveryoneelse.quot;Itswhatflowsoutofme,quot;Andersonsaid,bywayofexplanation,orlackofone.quot;Turnonthefaucetandthatswhatcomesout.quot;PTA想制作一部蝴蝶梦那样的电影（但并不像《蝴蝶梦》），简而言之，就是一个有才华和控制欲的男人，终于遇到一个可以和他抗衡的女人，两人相爱也相互憎恨。原文链接：https://theplaylist.net/paul-thomas-anderson-phantom-thread-20171215/Ihearthat,butIfinditvery,verydifferentfrom“Rebecca.”It’sverydifferentandthat’sagoodthing,it’snotatallmeanttobeahomage.Imean,that’syourgreatestfearwhenyou’reinspiredbysomething.Ispentalongtimetryingtomimicthingsandthenyousortofrealize,“WhatifItriedtodosomethingelsethatcamemorefromme?”Sometimeswhenyoumimicsomething,itcomesoutallwronginthebestwaypossible.Forsure.Youdon’twanttobeaXeroxmachine.PTA表示phantomthread并不是为了致敬《蝴蝶梦》，《蝴蝶梦》带给他灵感，但是他并不是复印机，他不是要模仿《蝴蝶梦》。原文链接：http://news.mtime.com/2018/02/08/1578056-2.htmlcontent保罗·托马斯·安德森：我觉得丹尼尔那天说的话很对，他说服装和追求者真的没有什么关系。他想说的是我们知道我们想要拍摄一部什么样的电影——一部关于一个男人和一个女人的电影。这是一部爱情片，看一段浪漫的爱情如何与家庭关系相契合。所以我们对故事大概有了一个想法，有了需要（身体和情感）的概念——当你卧病在床时你看着某人并意识到你需要他们，这意味着什么；当你健康的时候，你的性格一成不变，就好像你不需要任何人一样。《霓裳魅影》始终应该都是围绕这个男人和一个女人之间的感情，任何其他事情都只是为了支撑这个故事。所以任何时候我都会因为其他事情变得很兴奋，丹尼尔、乔安妮和迪伦都非常的棒，他们都确保让我回归主线。【男主与女主、姐姐的关系】原文链接：https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/paul-thomas-anderson-on-phantom-thread-daniel-day-lewiss-retirement-w514196https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cEtLfYOEIUhttp://emanuellevy.com/review/featured-review/phantom-thread-paul-thomas-anderson-about-his-collaboration-with-daniel-day-lewis/LetstalkabouttherelationshipbetweenCyrilandReynolds–howdifferentwasitonthepageversuswhatweseeonscreen?Youknowwhatyoucantwrite?Justhowcomfortablethosetwoarearesittingtogetherinsilence.Youcangivethemdialoguethatindicatesjusthowcloseandco-dependenttheyare.ButIthinkifyoujustfilmedDanielandLesley,youwouldgetafeelingofintimacybetweenthem,justbecauseoftheirnaturalcomfortwitheachother.Whatwedid–inhindsightveryintelligently,Imightadd–wastogetLesleyonboardlikeninemonthsbefore.Wesortofsawthehorizonlineandknewthat,thisisanactressthatsbookedup.Wewanthertodothis.Webetteraskhernow.Thesidebenefitofthatwasthatshehadtimetothinkaboutit,togettotalkingaboutitwithDanielsotheycouldcookupwhateverdeliciouslong,sordidhistorytheycancookup.Andwiththem,nowaythatdoesntcometothetable.SheisoneofthegreatestactorsIhaveeverworkedwith.Imean,justafuckingjoytowatch.Ihadafrontrowseatandwouldbeon-set,wide-eyed,everydaythinking,quot;Isshefuckingputtingmeon?Isshereallythisgood?quot;WhatsthatBadSantaline?[GoesintoangryBillyBobThorntonvoice]quot;Goddamit,areyoufuckingwithme?quot;[Laughs]Therewasalotofthat.There’sdefinitely,therulesthathehas,eventherulesprobablyhaverulesandthoserulesaregovernedbyotherrules.Andit’sjustaveryspoiledwayoflivingandit’sprobablythekindofthingthatisgrantedtoanartist,adesignerlikethis,whichgenerallytheyaregivenwhattheywant.Theyaregivenahousetobehaveastheywantaslongastheycontinuetoprovidethedesignsandthingslikethat,thattheyareallowedtoactliketheworstkindofchildrenreally.AndIwouldimaginethatgrowingup,hewasspoiledbyhismotherandthatthesisterwasabsolutelymarginalizedandtoldthatshewasn’tgoodenoughbutshewasgoodenoughtorunthebusinessandthatsheshouldbeinchargeofit.Andthatwasthedynamicthatwedreamedupandhopefullyisclearinthefilm.男主和姐姐Cyril亲密无间，男主自小被母亲宠坏，姐姐Cyril自小被边缘化，被告知她不如弟弟优秀，但是她可以作为两人生意的主管人。电影主要以女主作为叙事主体，她取名为Alma（拉丁文的意思是滋养、养育）的一个原因，是她想成为男主的感情支柱，她称男主aquot;hungryboyquot;（饥饿的男孩），并滋养他。Alma不希望代替男主的姐姐或者去世的母亲的位置，而是想成为和男主的爱情中的唯一。原文链接：https://thefilmstage.com/features/lesley-manville-on-the-power-dynamics-in-phantom-thread-deleted-scenes-and-ptas-humor/IspokewithVickyKriepsandshesaidthere’sanopeningofthefilmthatwasshotbutwasn’tused,withhercharacteratachurchandyourealizehermotherhadpassedaway.Itwasstuffwedon’tsee,butithelpedherformthecharacter.Whenitcomestoyourcharacter,wastherestuffyoushotortalkedaboutthathelpedyouformCyril?Therewasonlyreallyonescenethatofminethatwaslost.Imean,Christ,alongthewayPaullostalotoflittlesubplots.Alot.There’salotofwomancomingtothecouturehousethathadgone.Allsortsofminor,notmajor,butminorsubplotsthatendedupgoing.HedidcutonescenewithVickyandIwhichwaskindofhalfwaythroughtherelationshipofgettingtoknoweachotherwhenCyrilstartstoseethatthisrelationshipwithReynoldsisslightlymoreseriousthanmostoftheotherwomanthathavebeeninhislife.ItwasinthecountryhouseandAlmafindshismother’sweddingdressthatReynoldsthinkshelost.BecauseReynoldssays,“Idon’tknowwhereitisknow.It’sprobablyashes.”Actually,Cyrilhadkeptit,buthadn’ttoldReynolds.AlmafindsthedressandtheyhaveakindofstrangeconversationaboutthisweddingdressandthenCyrilaskshertokeepitquietfromReynoldsthatshe’sstillgotit.Butthatwent,andIcouldseewhyitwouldgo,becauseactuallyyougetthatCyriliswarmingtoAlmajustthroughthewayCyrilislookingatherandsmilingather.其实电影有一段戏是Alma在男主Reynolds的旧房子发现了他为母亲缝制的婚纱，这条婚纱Reynolds以为已经遗失其实是被姐姐Cyril藏起来了，Cyril告诉Alma不要让Reynolds知道，然后说了预告的那一句MayIwarnyouofsomething,mybrothercanfeelcursed,thatloveisdoomedforhim.然后Alma表示理解。这场戏因为时长问题被删掉了，但这是两人关系变好的证明，Cyril在电影后段对Reynolds说我挺喜欢Alma，就是这个原因。【关于quot;gamequot;】原文链接：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cEtLfYOEIUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn0jUdBxKloReynolds一直希望这段“爱情长跑比赛”能出现可以和他抗衡的“对手”，Alma不是那种唯唯诺诺的女孩，她敢于和Reynolds对抗，这是Reynolds所渴望的。【关于毒蘑菇】原文链接：http://emanuellevy.com/review/featured-review/phantom-thread-paul-thomas-anderson-about-his-collaboration-with-daniel-day-lewis/PTA:Ithinkyoushouldtakethemushroomsveryliterallyandnotmetaphorically.Idon’tthinkthatshewantedtokillhim,butIthinkthatsherecognizedinthismanwhowasincrediblyself-obsessedandimpossibletobreakthrough,thatinhismomentsofweakness,hewasvulnerableandhewasgenerousandhewasopen.Andlogicwouldleadhertothink,wellhowcouldIpossiblyrecreatesomeofthosemoments?MaybewithasmallamountofmushroomsIcanputhimflatonhisback,andIcankindofresethimandbringhimbackdownandtotrytorekindleourromancethatway.It’saverypeculiarwayofgoingaboutthings,butitworked.AndIneverthoughtasspecificallyassomethinglikeAsperger’s,butheisdefinitelynotlikeeverybodyelse.原文链接：http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/ct-mov-paul-thomas-anderson-phantom-thread-interview-0110-story.htmlQ:WhatIloveaboutthefirststrategicpoisoninginthefilmisthatyoudon’treallyknowwhatAlma’sintentionsare—ifthey’relethal,orjustpunitive.A:Exactlyright(laughs).You,know,it’sjustathimbleful,so…weshotsomegoodclose-upsweendeduptakingoutthatmadeherintentionsalittleclearer.She’slookingatthemushroombookandyouseethewords“notlethal,”and“extremestomachpain,”thatkindofthing.PTA已经在电影里给了暗示，有个镜头是女主在翻查书籍，找一些“不会致命，而是导致疼痛的蘑菇”。女主下毒并非是想杀死男主，因为男主只有在生病的时候才变得坦率真诚，所以女主想着让男主吃下一点点毒蘑菇让他生病，然后她就可以照顾他让他变得坦率，两人就可以重燃他们之间的浪漫情怀。这种逻辑虽然古怪，但是男主和女主都并非是一般意义上的正常人，这种方法反而有效。本文版权归作者river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